Saturday, August 02, 2008

Chicano Student>RE: Obama says he opposes slavery reparations, apology

8-2-2008 @10:42 PM ~ Gracias Chicano Student for your kind reply!
No I do NOT support Democrats simply because they are Democrats. That would be blind and stupid. All is subject to change on quantum-cosmic levels. Real life is often far more complex and beyond simplistic 'either-or' or 'left-right' dualities.

I just think Obama is the best man actually running with a real chance to win the White House. He is a shrewd dude from Chicago remember. If he can pull it off it will be one of the biggest turnarounds in Amerikan political history. He knows how to play issues off each other, absorb from McCain's supporters and keeps his eyes on the prize. He is really a great strategic planner.

The left-wing progressives are so splintered without a strong unified mass third party alternative that it is conceivable that while we bicker ol' McCain could come up and win the White House. He appeals to ol' racist White folks and racists of all colors!

We ~ and I use the term 'we' loosely ~ will need to work with and debate with Senator Barack Obama IF and WHEN he gets ELECTED! What Latinos are talking to his campaign staff now? Is Nativo?

Right now as Latinos we need to voice our priorities , our concerns and our ethnic-racial survival interests. We need to utilize his Campaign in ways that will galvanize those who are generally apathetic to electoral politics in AmeriKKKa.

It is calculating short-term tactical considerations, not a blanket strategic endorsement of the corporate controlled two-headed Monster of the Democratic-Republican political parties. The Green Party is not even effectively in the Presidential Race and the La Raza Unida Party is not even a real player anymore, certainly not on the national level. Third Parties will do better on the local and regional levels.

We must examine factual analyzes of actual conditions, along with their basic connections and interconnections in the context of connected reality. In essence, we must grasp the interconnectedness of it all, including Latin America. A lot of people outside the United States are watching this Presidential race very closely.
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Peter S. Lopez ~ aka:Peta
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--- On Sat, 8/2/08, chicanostudent@hotmail.com <chicanostudent@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: chicanostudent@hotmail.com <chicanostudent@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [NetworkAztlan_News] Obama says he opposes slavery reparations, apology
To: networkaztlan_news@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 11:27 AM

Now what do you think of Obama- he's now in favor of off-shore oil drilling- what other issues is he going to compromised before the Nov. elections, his advisors are telling him to back track on everything- I know I cannot change your mind Pete, but I don't share your unwavering support of the Democrats.

Eugene Hernandez


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Subject: [NetworkAztlan_ News] Obama says he opposes slavery reparations, apology


http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20080802/ ap_on_el_ pr/obama_ slavery_reparati ons

Obama says he opposes slavery reparations, apology

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writer 23 minutes ago

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past — and I'll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations — that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League — a group Obama is to address Saturday — avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects hi members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gap and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination? " Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps — poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

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http://news. yahoo.com/ s/ap/20080802/ ap_on_el_ pr/obama_ slavery_reparati ons

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Comment: I agree with Obama about reparations. It has been over 200+ years and we ought to get out of the past and accept the fact that reparations are not going to be forthcoming. How can Amerika make reparations for all of its evil deeds throughout its history anyways? By 40 acres and a mule?

We need to continue to work with progressive elements in all sectors of the society of all colors,stripes and leanings, always stress the key importance of mass unity on a global scale and see the picture in its larger global historical context.

Chicanos are not going to get Aztlan back in the real world, though this land was once called Aztlan and originally belonged to its indigenous peoples. Aztlan is a state of mind and being of spirit. Here now these lands belong to all peoples who inhabit it, who sweat upon it and who protect it.

We have to concentrate on the here and now, not bitch and moan about the past, but come together and plan together for the future. In the process, we will all need to rid ourselves of any remnants of racism against any race ~ whether it is hidden in our subconscious or blatant like the KKK. It is the hidden sickness that is harder to cure! We all need to find our real genuine humaneness, beyond race, ethinicity or national borders. Obama for President! Register to vote, register others to vote and get out the vote come Election Day! It's the ballot or the bullet!

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Come Together and Create!
Peter S. Lopez ~ aka:Peta
Humane-Liberation- Party
Sacramento, California, Aztlan
Email: sacranative@ yahoo.com
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Obama says he opposes slavery reparations, apology

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_el_pr/obama_slavery_reparations

Obama says he opposes slavery reparations, apology

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writer 23 minutes ago

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past — and I'll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations — that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League — a group Obama is to address Saturday — avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps — poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

++++++++++++
Links at website: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080802/ap_on_el_pr/obama_slavery_reparations

++++++++++++
Comment: I agree with Obama about reparations. It has been over 200+ years and we ought to get out of the past and accept the fact that reparations are not going to be forthcoming. w can Amerika make reparations for all of its evil deeds throughout its history anyways? By 40 acres and a mule?

We need to continue to work with progressive elements in all sectors of the society of all colors,stripes and leanings, always stress the key importance of mass unity on a global scale and see the picture in its larger global historical context.

Chicanos are not going to get Aztlan back in the real world, though this land was once called Aztlan and originally belonged to its indigenous peoples. Aztlan is a state of mind and being of spirit. Here now these lands belong to all peoples who inhabit it, who sweat upon it and who protect it.

We have to concentrate on the here and now, not bitch and moan about the past, but come together and plan together for the future. In the process, we will all need to rid ourselves of any remnants of racism against any race ~ whether it is hidden in our subconscious or blatant like the KKK. It is the hidden sickness that is harder to cure! We all need to find our real genuine humaneness, beyond race, ethinicity or national borders. Obama for President! Register to vote, register others to vote and get out the vote come Election Day! It's the ballot or the bullet!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Come Together and Create!
Peter S. Lopez ~ aka:Peta
Humane-Liberation-Party
Sacramento, California, Aztlan
Email: sacranative@yahoo.com
C/S